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Argentine Lake Duck, 17' penis, .... is this proof of 'Intelligent Design'?

more ABC News in Science: North American scientists have discovered the longest bird penis ever - a 42.5cm organ belonging to a duck.  Dr Kevin McCracken of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, and colleagues, report in this week's Nature that they have found a specimen of the Argentine lake duck (Oxyura vittata) that has a penis as long as its body - nearly half a metre long.  This has extended an earlier estimate of the length of the duck's corkscrew-shaped penis, which was 20cm.  "It's a fascinating bit of anatomy they've discovered here. It really is unusual," commented bird mating expert Dr Raoul Mulder from the University of Melbourne.  IIDB philosophy forum

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Proof of Intelligent Design, Topic #1

What is the statistical probability of having a sex organ as long as the body? learn about Argentine Lake Duck (details)

Proof of Intelligent Design, Topic #2

What is the statistical probability that Intelligent Design has a pardigmatic and empirical confirmation of the explanatory claims of intimately recognizable experimentability so as to ascertain its ability to confirm design intelligibilityness and retrodictive historicality?

     possible source of answers to the above. This material is meant to offend the fundamentalist Christian community.  This site is about stopping the Iraq War.  Fundies overwhelmingly voted for Bush thus enabling that tragic event. Why are Christian Fundamentalists so gullible and controllable ? 

Proof of Intelligent Design, Topic #3  What is the statistical probability that a porn star would play 'Adam' in a real museum featuring the biblical account of creation?  MORE  

Proof of Intelligent Design, Topic #4   Is the Creation Museum itself 'Proof of Intelligent Design'?  MORE

Proof of Intelligent Design, Topic #4  Isn't 'Intelligent Design' 'Proof of 'Intelligent Design''? No MORE

Possible new topic: an open question? "The Biblical Flood destroyed the dinosaurs"  according to Creation Museum, but became extinct because of  human pressure and habitat loss according to the Museum of Earth History,  but it's also possible they mated with the Argentine Lake Duck, the resulting male offspring had a sexual organ as long as their body and couldn't overcome the sheer weight burden.  Would God please settle this conflict?

They say "any publicity is good publicity"... hmm... this place is an embarrassment to Christianity...hopefully that is what will stick. 

• Fred.net  Origin of the Novel Species Noodleous doubleous: Evidence for Intelligent Design Thomas D. Schneider, Ph.D. Frederick, MD
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• National Center for Science Education
• Trinity Center  Human Origins
• Superpope blog, Intelligent Design intelligence
• White House.org It takes real smarts to think up all those parts"

• Emory University, Michael C. Carlos Museum  ancient civilizations
• Kansas.com Evolution debate spawns a saucy monster
• National Academy of Science "The U.S. National Academy of Sciences has stated that "intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life," are not science because they cannot be tested by experiment, do not generate any predictions, and propose no new hypotheses of their own." Wikipedia
• Space.com SETI  offered up in support of Intelligent Design
• Wikipedia, Intelligent Design

• All About Creation, Design detection 
• Creation Science Institute News
• Bush White House has endorsed 'Intelligent Design'
• RaptureReady Index
• Totten, R.  Mathematical Proof of Intelligent Design (John 1:3).
• Boycott Fox
• Y-Origins "Leading paleoanthropologists admit that museum and textbook drawings depicting our ape ancestry are speculative"  and ...the E. coli bacterial flagellum simply could not have evolved gradually over time. "  

• Wikipedia "Intelligent design is the claim that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection." It is a modern form of the traditional teleological argument for the existence of God, modified to avoid specifying the nature or identity of the designer. Its primary proponents, all of whom are associated with the Discovery Institute, believe the designer to be the Abrahamic God. Intelligent design's advocates claim it is a scientific theory,[15] and seek a fundamental redefinition of science, no longer limited to natural explanations, but accepting supernatural explanations as well."
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• The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster 
• Go to Church

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• Go to Tom Delay / Abramoff Watch page, search Hagee

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• go to Proof of Intelligent Design pages.
• Intelligent Design: Comedy or Tragedy?

• Christians Peace Witness for Iraq Mar 16, 2007, Worship at the National Cathedral,and New York Avenue Presbyterian Church,(1313 New York Avenue NW, Washington, DC).Candlelight procession to the White House, Prayer vigil and witness including nonviolent civil disobedience, Pre-witness workshops and training, Post-witness organizing and strategizing
• CounterCurrents "Figures like mega-church evangelist John Hagee, who some have dubbed Pastor Strangelove, believe a nuclear attack by the US against Iran would set off a battle of Armageddon in the Middle East; he and his allies are literally pushing the Bush administration to attack for that reason" 
• Jews, Christians and Muslims for Peace  Miami Herald
• Evangelical Climate Initiative Not signed by Dobson, Colson, Land, Hagee or any other Bush supporting evangelical leader. 
• Faulking Truth  'Apocalypse Now' ... "My God will kick his God's Ass"  MORE
• Foundation for Middle East Peace understanding and cooperation links
• Huffington Post  Just Why Does Robertson Want to Oft Chavez, and search Hagee
• Indybay Religious Right joins forces with Israel
• Indymedia, Houston
• Jewish Council for Public Affairs Climate stewardship, Human rights, children 
• Jewish News Weekly of Northern California, 60 years after Auschwitz.
• Kolel  Adult Center for Liberal Jewish Learning
• Media Transparency  search Hagee
• Media Transparency
• Media Transparency, "A Small Crack in the Conservative movement"  ...consider themselves good stewards of the earth. As good stewards they have come to understand that global warming is a clear and present danger."
• Association for Civil Rights in Israel successfully brought lawsuit to Israeli Supreme Court banning human shields
• Jews on First Defending the First amendment 
• Smirking Chimp
• Scoop Hagee and CUFI
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• What's the link between Rice, Cheney and Plamegate
• Talk2Action (are you concerned about Dominionism in America,  and Hagee's endorsement of the term 'Islamofascist' dredges up neo-con fascist links see pages   and James Petras, new book: The Power of Israel in the United States.  How the Jewish Lobby dominates US foreign policy Indymedia & CounterCurrents Common Dreams
• World Socialist Web Site search Hagee

• Amazon, Abramoff, Hagee reference list
• BBC "Analysis: America's new Christian Zionists ... 
• ArabAmericanews "In Iran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has a far different vision. Ahmadinejad, defiantly pursuing a nuclear option, has suggested that the elimination of Israel would herald the return of a 9th-century Muslim cleric known as the Mahdi, the 12th Imam. He hopes to welcome that messiah to Tehran within two years.  ....  While there are myriad interpretations of how it will play out, the basic Christian apocalyptic countdown - as described by Old Testament Scripture and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament - is as follows:  Jews return to Israel after 2,000 years; the Holy Temple is rebuilt; billions of people perish during seven years of natural disasters and plagues; the antichrist arises and rules the world; the battle of Armageddon erupts in the vicinity of Israel; Jesus returns to defeat Satan's armies and preside over Judgment Day.
• notes: Hagee, (Abramoff, Lapin), Scheinberg, Trinity Broadcasting Network
• San Francisco Chronicle, Hagee
• Manilla Standard "“’The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation and the Second Coming of Christ.”
• RaptureReady The rapture of the Church will kick-off the tribulation.  Make sure you are rapture ready.
• Time Magazine, exerpt: "It is one thing to become politically active to deploy that Gospel to improve people's lives, another to try to promote a specific religious scenario. Intercessors for America, a 30-year-old prayer ministry, helps keep people politically connected through e-mail alerts and telephone-prayer chains. The June 11 Prayer Alert implored, "Lord, raise up government leaders in Israel, the United States (and worldwide) who will not seek to 'divide the land,' and who would recognize the unique significance of Jerusalem in God's end-time purposes." A refusal to consider Israel's withdrawal from any occupied territory would tend to complicate the peace process: virtually every proposal has involved a land-for-peace swap. Yet at the same time, "if this wave of terrorism continues without a meaningful peace treaty soon," predicts John Hagee, pastor of the 17,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, "the sparks of war will produce a third world war. And that will be the coming of the End Times. That will be the end of the world as we know it." 
• The Hammer: Tom DeLay: God, Money, and the Rise of the Republican Congress by Lou Dubose, Jan Reid
• Hagee 3-in-1 Beginning Of The End, Final Dawn Over Jerusalem, Day Of Deception by John Hagee
• The Day and the Hour by Francis X. Gumerlock
• The End of History: Messiah Conspiracy (End of History - Messiah Conspiracy) by Philip N. Moore
• The End of Days : Fundamentalism and the Struggle for the Temple Mount by Gershom Gorenberg
• The Rapture Exposed by Barbara R. Rossing
• Nightmare of the Apocalypse: The Rabbi Conspiracy by Philip Moore
• Wikipedia, Christian right

• Agape Press search: 
• ArmageddonBooks.com  terror page, books, end times
• AP / Yahoo "The televangelist, San Antonio megachurch leader John Hagee, has referred to the Roman Catholic Church as "the great whore" and called it a "false cult system" and "the apostate church"; the word "apostate" means someone who has forsaken his religion.  He also has linked Adolf Hitler to the Catholic church, suggesting it helped shape his anti-Semitism." search John McCain
• Christian Books
• ChristianityToday  search Hagee
• Christians United for Israel
• Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations
• International Fellowship of Christians and Jews An American group lead by Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, raises tens of millions from Christian evangelicals for Jewish causes.
• Interfaith Stewardship and Cornwall Declaration
• John Hagee Ministries
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• Hagee Predicts the Apocalypse? and makes big $$$
• Time Magazine, Apocalypse
• Forward Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations reluctantly endorses Hagee see below
• Hagee book: Jerusalem Countdown: "Can anyone actually believe that the Islamic fanatics presently in charge of the Iranian government would not use these weapons on America?' 
• John Hagee at 2007 AIPAC Conference, and original source
• notes "Not every evangelical religious leader sees the threat from global warming. Last month, some of the nation's most visible evangelical leaders -- Focus on the Family's Dr. James Dobson, Prison Fellowship Ministries' Chuck Colson, and Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, the Traditional Values Coalition's Lou Sheldon and the American Family Association's Donald Wildmon, signed a letter addressed to the NAE -- an organization that represents more than 50 denominations and millions of Christians -- which maintained that "Global warming is not a consensus issue, and our love for the Creator and respect for His creation does not require us to take a position."
• Dobson, Colson, Land, Sheldon all are Bush, Likud, Zionist supporters and would never sign the ECI
• RaptureReady Index The rapture of the Church will kick-off the tribulation.  Make sure you are rapture ready.
•   search net on Hagee 'Tom Delay' relationship.... lots.  click pic for more
• RaptureReady Index The rapture of the Church will kick-off the tribulation.  Make sure you are rapture ready.

• Hagee quote: "They now have enriched uranium that will lead to the production of nuclear suitcase bombs designed to destroy American cities with one blast.  The nuclear weapons will also be used against Israel.  ....  the question is not if there well be a military preemptive strike against Iran, but when. .... Isaiah 62:1 & 6 ..."
• Manilla Standard  "In a Feb. 23, 2007 posting in www.alternet.org, Bruce Wilson wrote: “A few weeks ago, to little notice, Texas megachurch pastor John Hagee, founder of the new “Apocalypse Now!” national lobbying group Cufi [Christians United for Israel] met with presidential candidate and US Senator John McCain and, over breakfast, discussed Israel and ‘other matters.’  “Pastor Hagee declined to detail in the e-mail he sent out to members of the Cufi mailing list because “this newsflash goes to the ends of the earth and I don’t want to read it in the media tomorrow.’  “But at the July 19, 2006 Washington DC inaugural event for Cufi, after recorded greetings from George W. Bush, with four US Senators and the Israeli ambassador to the US in attendance, Pastor John Hagee stated: “’The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West… a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation and the Second Coming of Christ.”
• Manilla Standard "On the other hand, there is a sub-sect in Shia Islam that has a similar apocalyptic vision. Shia Muslims trace their doctrinal roots to Imam Hussein, a prophet and martyr who was killed by the Sunnis at about 834 AD in the holy city of Kerbala in what is now Iraq. This Shia sub-sect also believs in a Muslim version of the End Days, including the Second Coming of Imam Hussein.  A Malaysian fundamentalist sect, the al-Arqham, which became very popular in the ’90s but was outlawed and dispersed in 1995 by then Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, taught its hundreds of thousands of believers that a Great Leader will soon emerge in Uzbekistan to lead the Muslims of the world in a Final Battle with the infidels, meaning the Christians. And he will be easily identified by true believers because he will be wearing a blue turban.  For a while, Al Arqham watchers were convinced that this was none other than Osama bin Laden, holed up in Afghanistan which is right next to Uzbekistan . But so far, Osama has chosen to hide in the tribal border area between Afghanistan and Pakistan. But, who knows, he may yet move his mailing address to Uzbekistan, and he may yet adopt a blue turban as his signature fashion accessory.
• San Francisco Chronicle  "Essentially, the plot goes like this: Billions of people perish in seven years of natural disasters and plagues, the Antichrist arises to rule the world, the battle of Armageddon erupts north of Israel, and Jesus returns to defeat Satan's armies and preside over Judgment Day.  The text never fully explains its monstrous key characters and clashes -- the Whore of Babylon, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, the Antichrist, the Battle of Armageddon -- or any of the other eerie images, numbers and colors."
• Russian cult, near Nikoskoye, doomsday cave, maybe Hagee interested, near the Volga River, 100 gallons of gasoline, self-declared prophet Pyotr Kuznetsov, True Russian Orthodox Church, in afterlife they would be judging who deserved heaven or hell, 

When the World Comes to an End, Can We Have Your Stocks?

•  Buzzle on AIPAC Iran war mongering.
• Smirking Chimp, Bill Moyers, "There is no Tomorrow
• World Socialist Web Site "John Hagee of the Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, who is close to former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, preaches that the day is fast coming when “All over the earth, graves will explode as the occupants soar into heaven.”
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• Washington University  The end of the world has already begun
• Wikinews  World ends

• Bush White House Bush is a Pentacostal, who believe in end times.
• Discovery Institute Christian Reconstructionists
• International Fellowship of Christians and Jews An American group lead by Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, raises tens of millions from Christian evangelicals for Jewish causes.
• Parental Guide "The soon coming climax"

• Buzzle   "Justification for incursion into Iran—capturing the Khuzestan oil fields; taking out her plutonium enrichment, primarily by a joint US-Israeli air bombardment—has, as far as this author and many others are concerned, much more to do with sustaining the dollar’s hegemony as the currency of choice throughout the world, than alleged weapons of mass destruction."

• FoxNews "In one manuscript from the early 1700s, Newton used the cryptic Book of Daniel to calculate the date for the apocalypse, reaching the conclusion that the world would end no earlier than 2060.  "It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner," Newton wrote. However, he added, "This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fanciful men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, and by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail."
• Agora Financial "But every generation faces the furnace at least once or twice before it finally gets fried. Apocalypse comes and goes. Barely had Christ shaken the dust from his sandals when Saint Clement I predicted the second coming; the world would end at any moment, he said. Many were those who expected the world to end in 666, a year that carried the 'mark of the beast.' And in the early 19th century, the Millerites believed the world would end precisely at the close of October 22, 1843. They gave away their property and gathered on hilltops to await the end. At least one man with an extraordinary confidence in his pocket watch leapt off a barn roof at midnight, expecting to be taken up to Heaven in the moment of rapture. Like an investor, he got what he deserved, not necessarily what he expected. The night became known as the "Great Disappointment." ...  Near the end of the first millennium, German Emperor Otto III interpreted a solar eclipse as an exterminating omen. At the end of the second, it was a computer glitch that spelt annihilation. If the computers failed, said the doomsters, the control systems for trains and trucks wouldn't work. And the banks wouldn't be able to honor checks or pay out cash. No money. No food. Millions would starve."

• Pharyngula:  Kansas conservatives:  "Six years ago, when conservatives previously held a majority of seats on the Kansas board of education, they established guidelines encouraging schools to give equal time to the theory of linguistic creationism, which claims that English was created directly by God five hundred years ago at the start of the Great Vowel Shift so that the King James Bible could be translated into it. But this triggered a backlash, and they lost control of the board, which repealed the guidelines. Now that conservatives are back in a majority position, they are instead promoting the teaching of the intelligent design theory. But linguists are not willing to appear at their scheduled hearings on the subject."
• ErrantSkeptics  Why Catholics Are Opposed to Teaching Evolution   Darwin knew nothing of the electron microscope and cellular biology. His champion, Richard Dawkins, knows a lot. As Dawkins notes, the nucleus of each cell contains more information than all 30 volumes of the encyclopedia Brittanica put together, complex, specific and perfectly ordered.  Richard Dawkins imagines the cell as a Xerox machine, capable, he says, "of copying its own blueprints," but "not capable of springing spontaneously into existence." So picture Dawkins on the brink of infinity, pumping what Darwin called "secretions" from his barely evolved brain, trying desperately to figure how this this wonderfully complex machine came to be. His best guess? No joke: "sheer, unadulterated, miraculous luck." It must have slopped itself together, he surmises, from some imagined chemical soup.
• Panda's Thumb Missing link: “cdesign proponentsists”  Nick Matzke posted Entry 1657 on November 7, 2005 09:12 PM.  Trackback URL: http://degas.fdisk.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-tb.cgi/1652  You might be interested to read about a very rare transitional fossil between creationism and “intelligent design” that was recently discovered by Barbara Forrest during her exploration of some exhibits filed in Kitzmiller v. Dover, namely drafts of the original “intelligent design” book Of Pandas and People.    The amazing beast, “cdesign proponentsists” was discovered directly above strata containing the well-known and ubiquitous species “creationists”. Previous research by Forrest had dated the layer the missing link was found in to the latter half of 1987.   Forrest had previously been able to show that “intelligent design” almost completely replaced “creationism” in 1987, in a dramatic episode of ecological replacement: …but, as is often the case in punctuated equilibria between closely-related species, the transitional form has a small, geographically localized population, and so is difficult to discover in the fossil record.  Through painstaking sifting through the record, however, Forrest eventually found the holy grail: a perfect intermediate.  Creation Biology (1983), p. 3-34:  “Evolutionists think the former is correct; creationists because of all the evidence discussed in this book, conclude the latter is correct.”   Biology and Creation (1986), p. 3-33:   “Evolutionists think the former is correct, creationists accept the latter view.”   Biology and Origins (1987), p. 3-38:  “Evolutionists think the former is correct, creationists accept the latter view.”   Of Pandas and People (1987, creationist version), p. 3-40:   “Evolutionists think the former is correct, creationists accept the latter view.”   Of Pandas and People (1987, “intelligent design” version), p. 3-41:   “Evolutionists think the former is correct, cdesign proponentsists accept the latter view.”   Telic Thoughts

"Two years ago, at a National Religious Broadcasters meeting, the Discovery Institute's Dembski framed the ID movement in the context of Christian apologetics, a theological defense of the authority of Christianity.

"The job of apologetics is to clear the ground, to clear obstacles that prevent people from coming to the knowledge of Christ," Dembski said. "And if there's anything that I think has blocked the growth of Christ [and] the free reign of the Spirit and people accepting the Scripture and Jesus Christ, it is the Darwinian naturalistic view.... It's important that we understand the world. God has created it; Jesus is incarnate in the world."

The Institute's religious agenda has won it the backing of wealthy financiers and foundations. For example, California multi-millionaire Howard F. Ahmanson Jr., has singled out the Discovery Institute for big contributions. (Ahmanson is aligned with Christian Reconstructionism, an extreme faction of the Religious Right that seeks to replace democracy with a fundamentalist theocracy.)"

• Financial Express "Science Under Attack from the Right
• Darwins defenders, Universities...news  Telegraph.uk
• Richard Land, president of Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics & Religious Libery Commission, and is a political ally of Karl Rove, SFChronicle file
• Johah House Sister Ardeth Platte, released from Danbury Prison for defacing a missile with her own blood.  Served two years.
• Christianity Today, "Does March of the Penguins Support Intelligent Design Theory?"
• Common Dreams, Feb 2004, "Diebold, Electronic Voting and the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"  (search Ahmanson)
• Sun Sentinel  Broward County, search
• The American Family Association accused the Washington State Democratic Party of offering this magnetic sticker.  and original page at WashingtonGOP had slogans: Don't Blame Me, Support Our Environment, and Give Peace a Chance.  and below....
• Lessons From The Lion, link from American Family Association,  about Chronicles of Narnia
• Chicago Tribune Dembski dismissed...."Although intelligent design is not taught at Baylor, O'Brien said, the university had a controversial association with it. In 1999, the Michael Polanyi Center opened at Baylor's Institute for Faith and Learning, headed by William Dembski, one of the foremost ID proponents and an early fellow of the Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based think tank and leading advocate for ID. After creating a furor among Baylor faculty, the center was stripped of its name and Dembski was dismissed in October 2000" Chicago Tribune
• Kansas City.com  "Students, parents fret as Kansas new science standards take root." search: 'intelligent design'

WASHINGTON — Televangelist John Hagee's push to launch a Christian pro-Israel grass-roots lobbying organization received the reluctant blessing of Jewish organizational leaders last week.  Hagee, who leads a mega-church of more than 17,000 members in San Antonio, Texas, came to New York last week to win support from member groups of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations. The new organization, Christians United for Israel, is being modeled after lobbying powerhouse the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, arguably the most influential Jewish organization in the country.

According to the mission statement posted on its Web site, the new organization strives "to provide a national association through which every pro-Israel church, para-church organization, ministry or individual in America can speak and act with one voice in support of Israel in matters related to biblical issues."  Members of the Presidents Conference were delighted at the prospect of a religious figure of Hagee's caliber leading an organization that could mobilize tens of millions of American evangelicals in support of Israel. But some are worried that the latter part of the organization's mission statement opens the door to American Christians opposing Israeli territorial concessions on religious grounds.

"What does supporting Israel in matters related to biblical issues mean in today's world?" asked Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League. "Does it mean [supporting Israel] on both banks of the Jordan River?" Some Jewish communal leaders questioned how such an umbrella organization would respond to Israeli withdrawals from land in the West Bank that evangelicals believe was given by God to the Jewish people.

Hagee, who was vacationing and therefore not available for an interview this week, reportedly told members of the Presidents Conference that his organization will support the government of Israel. He didn't specify, however, what his organization's position would be if an Israeli government makes good on Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's plans for a wide-scale pullout from the West Bank. At least one of the members of Christians United for Israel's board of directors, former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, publicly opposed Prime Minister Sharon's Gaza disengagement plan last year.

Hagee himself has spoken about his strong belief in God's covenant with the Jewish patriarchs of the Bible. His Web site states: "All other nations were created by an act of men, but God Himself established the boundaries of the nation of Israel. God gave to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob a covenant of land that was eternally binding."

In past speeches, Hagee said he believes that Israel should not make any territorial compromises in the West Bank. He seemed to strike a more nuanced note in a recent interview with The Jerusalem Post.  "The Bible says that God gave the Jewish people this sacred land," Hagee told the Post's editor, David Horovitz. "It's yours. Don't give it away. If you choose to give it away, that's your business. We're still friends, although we feel you made the wrong choice. I wouldn't stop supporting Israel because of your choice."

Foxman said that "the stuff that [Hagee] has written in the past gives us a reason to be concerned." He added that American Jewish supporters of Israel "don't need another lobbying group that doesn't support the Israeli government, but hopefully [Hagee] will be pragmatic."  The director of Christians United for Israel, Steve Swanson, declined to be interviewed. His assistant said that Hagee is the only one who is authorized to talk about the project.

At his March 29 meeting with Jewish community leaders, Hagee vowed pragmatism not only in terms of supporting the policies of the Israeli government but also in terms of avoiding proselytizing.  "He said that they will not engage in missionary activity," said Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Presidents Conference. "The way he sees it is that we can work with them on the issues that we agree on. There will obviously be issues that people would disagree on — in terms of the domestic agenda — but we all agree on supporting Israel. That's what he said."

Hagee is presenting his new organization as a "Christian Aipac," with the goal of duplicating the pro-Israel lobby's success in establishing branches across America, in each of the 50 states and in every large American metropolitan city. Hagee told members of the Presidents Conference that he already has established about a dozen and is attempting to set up more. The new organization, he also told Jewish communal leaders, will be launched officially in July. During the meeting last week, Hagee did not indicate whether he intends to cooperate and coordinate his group's activities with Aipac. He attended the organization's policy conference in Washington last month.

A spokesman for Aipac said that the organization has no association with Hagee's new group.  According to activists in the evangelical community, Hagee's initiative has not yet attracted a great deal of attention. Although the cause may resonate with evangelicals, it is not clear whether supporters would contribute enough money to sustain such a nationwide operation, activists said.  "I don't know that evangelicals are going to give their hard-earned dollars for that," said Richard Cizik, vice president of governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals. "It seems like a bit of an overreach — it's not as if Israel doesn't already have its own lobby."

"Joel C. Rosenberg is the New York Times best-selling author of THE LAST JIHAD (2002), THE LAST DAYS (2003), and THE EZEKIEL OPTION (2005), with more than one million copies in print. He previously served as a senior advisor to several U.S. and Israeli leaders, including Steve Forbes, Rush Limbaugh, former Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Natan Sharansky, and former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He has been interviewed on more than 300 radio and TV shows, including ABC's "Nightline," CBN's 700 Club, CNN Headline News, Fox News Channel, MSNBC, the Michael Reagan Show, the Rush Limbaugh Show and the Sean Hannity Show."

• Trinity Center  Human Origins
• Superpope blog, Intelligent Design intelligence

• Emory University, Michael C. Carlos Museum  ancient civilizations
• Kansas.com Evolution debate spawns a saucy monster
• TempoInteractive search: "Cherney Foundation" "Discovery Institute" file  New Zionist World Order

AIPAC, Rosen, Weissman trial, June 5, 2007 Espionage trial, linked to Cheney, Libby, Hadley, Rice....and on and on....and Israel Dr. Ronald Roskens, Kent State, Franklin Scandal, USAID.... How is Kent State related?